Julian Carnall tells us about Tuk Tuk Adventures in Cambodia, Sri Lanka, and Italy [EP 250]

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I guess a couple of things, for me, it's gotta be passion over cash, if you can It sounds very idealistic, but I think that really if you're going to make something work, the passion has got to be there. And you've gotta be not put off by not immediately making a bunch of cash because then you've just got to be realistic early on. And then the second one is really kind of researching. And I say this because I do it. Really researching what you want to do and, and making sure a hundred percent that you've almost got something or you're going to do something that's a little bit different because there's a lot of really great people out there in the space and they do amazing stuff. They might've already done something and you can maybe collaborate without having to do it yourself.

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It's a cool little question. I think mine, it's a fairly boring response, but my Leatherman. My uncle was a pilot and going back to like growing up in Kenya at boarding school, we were a bunch of seven-year-olds running around with either a Swiss army knife or Leatherman. It was part of our school uniform at the time. So we always had it.

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Episode 250 of the outdoor biz podcast. Julian Cornell tells us about his took, took adventures in Cambodia, Sri Lanka, Italy. Wait, what? Italy? Yes. Italy brought to you this month by creative life. Start learning for free today with their amazing selection of honor classes with over 1500 curated classes in photography and video money in life raft and maker art and design and music and audio. There's something for everyone I've watched many of their honor broadcast for free or buy a class and own the content for life. Go to the outdoor biz podcast.com/creative live and start building creative skills from the world's top experts today. Welcome back everyone. Today, I'm speaking with Julian Cornell, founder of large minority. The effort took, took adventures where during the days you'll have set checkpoints to reach and challenges to complete. And it's up to you and your teammates to come up with the best way to get stuff done. Julian says, think of our adventure challenges as a down to earth version of the American rakes during the evenings, you'll be toasting your success and swapping the day storage with your fellow adventurers from all over the globe. And boy, will there be stories welcome to the show, Julian.


Thanks, Rick. Thanks for having me really great to be on.


Yeah. Good to be chatting with you now. Where in the world are you? You're overseas. Are you in London, England?


Yep. Unfortunately I am in London, England right now. Um, that's just where I live. I live with my wife here. We're here mainly because of her. I blame her all the time because she's, um, has a full-time job here. This is my current base. Okay.


Gotcha. And why do you, why do you not like London? Why do you say unfortunately,


I, I do like London. I don't have any problem with London. It's more that I really miss the outdoors. That's the biggest problem. Uh, it's obviously a big, a big city. Um, there is. Yeah, it's great. It's it's, it's beautiful. It's wonderful. It's got a lot of, it's got a lot of cool things going for it. It's also got a lot of bad things, but, um, overall, I like it, but I just miss the outdoors, I guess what I'm what I'm really trying to say.


Gotcha. Yeah. I've been to London once I was on a work trip, traveling for Jansport. We had a lot of fun there, but yeah, I can see, there's not a lot of outdoor stuff there, but there's a lot of stuff, outdoor stuff around you. So you can get away pretty regularly, I would guess on the weekends. Yes.


Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, there is the outdoors that I've always been used to. I mean, we've used those quite loosely, but like the, you know, growing up, um, in fall kind of wild spaces is the difference is the key difference. I think obviously the co creation and the huge amount of people in the country in the United Kingdom in general, um, just makes like wild, outdoor space, slightly, slightly less abundant.


Right. We have that in the U S I'm pretty lucky here to live in Bishop. Cause we have wild outdoor space out my backyard, but yeah, if you were in LA or, you know, San Diego there's, you got to go a ways, but yeah, it's like that everywhere. Um, so were born in Nairobi. What inspired your passion for travel?


Yeah, I was, I was lucky enough to be born in, born in Nairobi Kenya. And I think that in itself was a big driver for, for a, a big passion for travel. Um, just by the nature of, of, well, what can you really like obviously some big cities, but also we, we were lucky enough to live in the outdoors. My, my, my, my father worked on a farm, so we were quite remote. Um, and, and that really was, I guess what inspired, but, you know, as a kid, you didn't really realize how lucky you are. Um, and, and that's just, you know, just second nature, really what you're, what you're exposed to. Um, and yeah, that's, that's how we're looking back. That's exactly what formed my, I guess my passion for travel. I mean, combined with the fact that I was also lucky enough to, because of our remote nature go to go to schools that were then quite remote, um, uh, boarding schools that then had like wonderful land and surrounding schools that, that, yeah, we were just thrown in the outdoors from a very young age, from the age of like six, seven.


We were at, we were in the, in the monks, you know, quite, quite wild spaces, which is, which is awesome.


Yeah. That's very cool. Yeah. And you worked in the middle East, what kind of work did you do there?


The middle East? Yeah, that was my, probably my first proper job, like say proper job. It was, you know, it was, it was a job in the travel space. I was working in the United Arab Emirates. So I think most people are familiar with Dubai these days. Yeah. Um, so I was working in Dubai in the travel space, but organizing inbound adventures for w for people that were coming to Dubai and people probably laugh. Like there's not much adventure in Dubai. Um, but you know, it was things like safaris and, um, some as much as we could do with, with what the resources were the, and, and it is, it is quite beautiful and wild in some of those, some of those desert areas and then, and other parts that, you know, um, yeah, so that's what I was doing that in, in Dubai working for a travel company, uh, didn't do inbound, uh, operations for travel.


And so you had some experience putting trips together. How did Lars minority come to life? You just wanted to strike out on your own?


Yeah, I think it's a large minority. They was two, I think, two separate them of journeys with large minority itself. There was the first one, which was kind of a bit of a university pipe dream with, with one of my good friends, co co-founders actually, um, that journey started with probably just like an idealistic view. Uh, we were both studying travel and hospitality as, as a degree. Um, and we wanted to create something. We didn't know what that was at that point. We wanted to create something that was away from mass tourism. A lot of our theoretical side of travel and stuff came from, you know, boring all the mass tourism. And we wanted to create almost something the polar opposite from that. So we had the name, the name started, it was my good friend and co-founder who came up with it, but we didn't have anything to do that. And that actually came from, um, from an adventure we did together, uh, which happened to be on the tour. And that's when the, when we actually put the name into a business, which is, you know, here we are 10, 12 years later and it's still, still going on.


That's awesome. How did you choose tuk-tuks? That's a pretty, that's a, I can't wait to, I'd love to come on. One of these adventures of sounds pretty crazy and it took took, but how did you choose that?


Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean side note, please. Anytime you'd be more than welcome. Um, I can take it. Yeah. Nice, nice, big, nice destination for you on a tour. Um, but to answer your question. Yeah. How did it, it's a tough one. We found ourselves in the middle of Sri Lanka, um, on the tour. Um, and we borrowed a local guy, took, took ticks in Sri Lanka. I'm not sure how familiar your, um, I said you all listeners, but any less than when I talk to anybody, a lot of people immediately think of Thailand, Bangkok, right. Um, like cruising around the city in the, in the crazy took. Um, but actually the tactics that I'm talking about and the ones that we use for a lot of our adventures are the, you know, the Rick shores, they're that the Indian style three-wheel vehicles, um, open sides, tiny the lens and in the back a bit bigger than the lawn mower. Um, but that in itself is just like, in my view, just a wonderful little machine that just gets you around perfectly can take you to pretty far off, you know, remote places. Um, pretty versatile little vehicle, surprisingly, you know, obviously it's not like four by four, but they do a job. Um, and yeah, that's where I guess my love affair began.


Yeah. It's almost like doing a trip on a little motor bike. Right. It's and how do you carry, where do you carry everybody's gear? Does he fit in the took, took, or did you have to have a vehicle support vehicle?


Yeah, that's exactly. That's exactly what it's like almost. I mean, I actually use this comparison quite a lot. And when I try and explain to people, I mean, I also drive motor bikes, quite a lot bigger touring bikes and some dirt bikes and stuff, but, um, they took two gives you diversity, did it, it doesn't have it. Doesn't quite have the danger of, you know, you're not, you're not really worried about, well, you know, overly really worried about being hit by hit off by another vehicle or just the dangers that it comes with. Yeah. And the exposure of a motorbike naturally, you may, you're completely exposed that takes that away. And not only that, it also reduces the speed considerably. So you're just about fast enough to get from me to be in, you know, without spending all day, you had, like, if you really had to buy the next cycle for 150 kilometers, you could get it, get there in reasonable time, but it's really slow enough to have like a really immersive adventure.


Um, you are, you're, you're still open to the senses to the, to the, to the sights and the sounds of the destination. And that's really why we pose it as a platform you're you're right in it. Exactly. Um, so we use it as a platform. Yeah. A platform for people's own adventure. And then tell us your question about how, yeah. How we, we get people's luggage in and stuff, our trips and adventures are they quite well supported? Um, that we do have things like a luggage fan that will almost just sit in the background and we leave you to your adventure and then if you need us, call us. Yeah. And then, and then that's it. Yeah.


Yeah, man, that sounds super fun. I gotta, I gotta add that to my list. I never thought of it took adventure, but it's now on the list. Um, and you set up adventures. Yeah. Yeah. And you have adventures all over the place. Philippines, India, Cambodia. W w do you have a favorite place you like to go?


Yeah, I have to say a lot of the destinations you said that we do to run in Cambodia. We also do one in South India around Kara, which is a state on the kind of Southwest of India. Um, and those are also two base that follow a similar format to what I've been talking to you about me follow a similar format. The adventure we did in, in, in the Philippines is, um, took on, I, my dad always used to take a sailing when I was a kid and I always wanted to do something on the, um, on the sea and to make it away from kind of a traditional yall tool or something like that. Um, use use local, you know, local sailboats. And we found these in the Philippines, obviously Island nation over like 7,000 Island, um, you know, real sea seafaring nation. Um, we found these boats called they called parralels paroles.


Um, and then these tremor and boats, uh, yeah, amazing little, little boat. I said, they're not that they're not that devil, but they're really, really good fun. Um, and we did an adventure there where we did some Island hopping. Um, we still did obviously, um, do some Island hopping, you join a local crew who basically captain and skipper, this boat needs to be a sailor. If you want to be, if you want to sell, you can sell. Um, but you joined the crew and basically do, do, do an eight day adventure through of the islands. Um, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's bright from compass, you know? Fantastic. Um, yeah, it's really, I mean, yeah, it's, it's everyone that's going to be in on a brilliant trip.


I bet. I bet one of the most fun parts too though, is all the eating adventures because you're eating the local cuisine and I'm sure, I mean, I don't know what kind of, you know, places you accommodations you provide, but you know, being so exposed to, like you said, the sense and the sounds you can pull over whenever you want and grab some street food. Right.


That is exactly it. And that's one of the that's one of the beauties of it really is we, we kind of encourage that. We encourage people to do that. And w we do actually have a quirky little like side element to nearly all of our adventures where we don't overly, I don't think we overly advertise it, but it's, um, it's actually becomes quite, quite a fun part of, of, of the event of the adventures. Um, we, we call them challenges. Um, and basically we, yeah, w


I can't imagine where this is going eat the most craziest.


Yeah. And you'd be surprised that, you know, naturally a lot of teams that enter that they, their impression earlier on is we were not competitive. We, we would just do is make a bit of fun. You can be sure that the second day in there's 20 teams competing, like mad to see who can eat the biggest. Correct. Yeah.


I've been involved in that. Yep. Every time I I've traveled Nepal, Thailand, Philippines, not Philippines, but, um, a lot of places in Asia. And it seems like whenever you travel, you know, you, you get a night out on the night out, you have some drinks and there's always the food thing, and there's always a competition. Oh, you're gonna eat that. Well, how many this, you know, so yeah.


It's always that, I mean, some of the funniest food benches are yeah. Obviously the Cambodia that they're notorious for, you know, eating a large amount of exotic kind of protein.


Yeah. Thailand has some crazy stuff. Vietnam too


Harlem too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. All of those Southeast Asian countries. Yeah.


Yeah. You look at it and you can eat that. Yes, I am. Yeah, that's fine.


Yeah. I actually, one of our funniest parts of what we do, we did some camping. Um, it's more like damping. We actually preset up a lot of the campaign. Um, it's fully set up as in, we go in before to create the camp, but it's, it's not a permanent campsite into like it borders on the national park. We set up the camp, so people arrive and then the camp set up, you've got your own tent, you've got your own sharing facilities just from the Lake and stuff. Um, and always on camp night, we organized in shrine. Kay's kind of home too. Um, they eat some pretty spicy foods, a lot of black pepper, but then also a lot of chilies. Um, and we do a chili challenge and that's where people, you know, they've had a few, a few beers in, um, the chimneys come out.


And, um, yeah, w we, we basically run that small little challenge competition, which is, which is hilarious. And it always goes down, goes down very well. I can imagine. Have you had anybody get really sick? Um, we have an ha I'd probably have to go back to the, we now a little bit more responsible than we were when it comes to the eating challenges. Um, w we, back in the day, this is probably one of the first challenges we ever did. We, we were still grappling with the format of that particular challenge and, and it seemed, we thought, you know, they're not going to eat all of this stuff. We've got lots of chili. There's no ways they're going to eat it. And there'll be a winner within, within 10 minutes, but sure enough, that human role competitiveness just obviously reared its head, everybody chose to eat every single Chile on the table, plus the chili paste, plus what we had and then what proceeded to happen with just, we just have to stop it allocate all the points to everybody that completed it.


Everybody wins,


Everybody wins, everyone got the points. But then to answer your question, did someone get quite sick? Yes. Um, 95 or 90% of everybody proceeded to kind of get rid of that chili from a system almost instantaneously, except two people. Wow. And they didn't get rid of it. And the next day they were, they were really, really ill. We had to


Take a rest day or could you still travel?


They were. So w we have, um, just as extra support on, on particularly shrine caravan, we have a medical team in the background, um, just pasted emergency. Uh, they had very, very rarely gets used. Normally it's used for some sort of, you know, nothing to do with the event, but more than just because of general debauchery or, you know, people misbehaving. Um, but on this occasion, yeah, the person had to get a drip and did travel with the medical team for that day and left home left teammate. She left the teammate to drive the full 200 kilometers the next day. She wasn't, she wasn't that popular.


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Yeah, so that's something that ever since I, I mean, growing up in Kenya, it's one of Kenya and, you know, a lot of African countries, larger exports is travel itself, you know, tourism and travel. And I kind of grew up seeing a lot of large, um, and this is actually worldwide really, but, you know, not large tourism organization kind of benefited hugely from these beautiful areas, beautiful countries, but taking a lot of you almost for granted, a lot of stuff, taking a lot of the currency out, taking a lot. I not really benefiting just the communities that were right next door that were right, you know, right there. Um, and that kind of always affects me. And we took a decision very early on with our business, not a great business decision I have to say, but we've still, we're still sticking by it. Um, or contributing directly a percentage of what people pay us as registration fees to go towards those kinds of projects.


Um, the projects that I'm talking about, we, we kind of use, we use the arts and sports. It's kind of one of the flagship, um, the flagship projects. So working with schools in kind of undeveloped areas of the country, um, and then finding within those two spaces to sports and arts, which is mainly music, actually a musical instrument. Um, and then using a percentage of those funds to basically contribute to projects within those, within those areas that we visit, we then show people on the trip, um, on the adventure, what a different that small amount can do, because, you know, we're only talking about 15 teams visiting. Um, so yeah, it doesn't take much, but it will suggest we just demonstrating that a small amounts can go a really long way. Um, and, uh, and it makes a huge difference to be able to actually see that firsthand, to witness it know on a micro level, um, this motor small difference can do. Um, and, and that's, so that, that's kind of what I mean, would that we maintain that and done some really cool projects in the past, in all the places.


Cool. How has COVID impacted your business?


So the short answer is it's is really bad. Um, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's hammered everybody. Absolutely. It is. And it still is. And it's still, well, I think, um, naturally being in the tourism, the travel space, the hospitality space with, you know, we were hit some of the hardest, um, and we will probably take one of the longest, uh, especially in international travel, one of the longest to come back in my opinion. Um, obviously there's a few other industries, but we, yeah, we,


Yeah. Have you done any trips this year?


Yeah, I was going to say some green shoots, I suppose. We also from moving from predominantly working in the countries that we've mentioned, Cambodia, Sri Lanka, India, we managed to kind of really pivot a little bit and look for some destinations closer to home. Um, we found some pretty cool, of course they have to be cool cause they're Italian, but some highly, uh, took the Piaggio um, um, you know, with the being Italian, they've got less their company convertible. They're just a little bit more comfortable and they're actually really great fun as well, driving around the gift, you know, you're driving around Italy and it's convertible. It was really good fun. The same thing applies, but yeah, it's really good fun. So that, that that's, I guess some of the green, you know, the green shoots as a result of COVID, I don't think we would've looked at that as a destination if it wasn't for COVID. Yeah.


Yeah. Have you considered bringing some tuk-tuks over from like Sri Lanka and bringing them into London do tick tick thing around London? That'd be a blast. My kill somebody though.


Yeah. Well, it's funny you say that. So I worked quite closely with, with a good friend of mine and he, he actually, you know, he, he he's now I think the biggest important people laughing to communicate. I mean, we've got to remember that we actually have quite a large, um, a large, uh, Asian population in the UK. We have a very close history with, with Asia historically. Um, so there's and people just love love to, obviously I'm talking, you know, I'm talking probably 500 to a thousand maybe, but, um, we working on some cool projects, um, with, with six, I actually did a rally just for fun in the summer where we had some took iron as there. It was more like a own this club, a rally around Wales yeah. Around Wales, which is, which is really good. Fun,


Happy, be very fun. Yeah. So back to the travel thing, when do you think it'll pick up once COVID sorted out or we've got a vaccine you think it'll be mid next year? What are your thoughts on that?


My view is I think, I think he will slowly start coming back mid Q3 or Q4 next year, but I, I mean slowly, I really think slowly, I mean, the vaccine uses is, is great for, you know, the overall industry. Um, I'm actually traveling to Kenya soon, uh, in the next few days. Oh, wow. So I'm kind of witnessing firsthand of what, you know, what are the kinds of things involved at the moment I'm having to do a total of six COVID tests just to basically, you know, go to get there and then back. Um, and I think that just shows what the future of, of the travel space is going to look like for the next few years. I think a combination of, of testing, um, the vaccine slowly getting rolled out. Um, I think the next international challenge will be actually just the countries wanting to, you know, or not wanting to accept people. That would be the next yeah. Yeah. When they say actually the UK, you've had lots of cases. We don't really want that many.


Right. Well, it's like here in the U S we can't go anywhere. Right. They don't want us, so yeah. Yeah. I'll blame them.


Yeah. Me neither. Um, but I think that's one of the things that vaccine will, you know, will kind of slowly speed up, um, that, that not acceptance, but yeah, I think to answer your question earlier by, you know, I, and back to back to what it was five years.


Yeah. No, I think you're right. It's gonna take a lot longer than people think. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So what other outdoor activities do you participate in?


So I, I mainly do like day tracks and like some wild camping is what I currently do. I mean, this year has been a little bit different. I've been, we'll do we, we went up to Scotland a couple of times. Um, and then just a couple of like two day hikes out in, you know, in just kind of on the Welsh border. Um, but yeah, mainly mainly limited. It's kind of like day, day hike. It's what, what I, what I do at the moment here, I mean, what I love the most is going out to kind of the national parks or, you know, the, the why the Wilder spaces. And I'm actually going out in a couple of weeks to Kenya again, to do that.


I'll do the same thing here. We're just getting out for day hikes and stuff. Yeah.


Yeah. That's, that's the kind of thing that, um, that I'm doing. And I mean, I, I took, I used to also work in a space where we could do, um, take trips up Kilimanjaro and then take expeditions to, um, every space camp, um, do big hikes and great wall on the great wall of China. Um, I kicked a couple of my own clients. I see up to Morocco, um, Gavin's mountains now, which is really cool. So it said like soft tracking, I guess, wild camping is my go-to if I could. And I, and I had the time, yeah, I would, I would probably come to North America and just do some sort of mass, like long expedition, maybe involving a kayak or canoe or something.


Yeah. That's a lot of folks here are doing their, I live, uh, like I said, Bishop, and we have the, you know, the Sierra Nevada mountains right out our back door. So there's a lot of people coming up to go on backpacking trips. And of course, everybody did the Pacific crest trail this year. So there's a lot of that going on. And the national parks here being overrun by folks, as, you know, we need to get out, we need to do something. So that's, that's what they're doing is getting outside mountain biking, hiking, paddling. Yeah. Fishing. It's very fun. Yeah.


Yeah. I mean, that's what I, I, I just live with great envy of seeing the outdoors in America know you gotta come over to best manage. Yeah. I really, I really loved, I did go to Canada. I told you last year, um, we went up to a fairly remote area and did the 10 days like self self-sufficient, um, kayak trip, which is just amazing.


Beautiful. Yeah. Uh, do you have any advice or suggestions for folks wanting to get into the adventure biz start their own thing or start guiding something?


Yeah. I mean, I had never really feel like I'm in a position to give advice, but like, yeah. I mean, I guess a couple of things, I mean, um, if you can, I mean, for me, it's gotta be passion over, over, over cash, if you can, if, you know, it sounds like a very like idealistic, but I think that really, if you're going to make something work, um, really like really the passion has got to be there. Um, and you, you've got, gotta be not put off by, by not immediately made some, a bunch of cash because then you've just got to be realistic, uh, early on. And then the second one is really kind of researching. And I almost say this because I do it. Um, but you know, really researching what you want to do and, and making sure a hundred percent that you've almost got something or you're going to do something that's a little bit different because there's a lot of really great people out there, um, in, in, in, in, in the space and they do amazing stuff and they might've already done something and you can maybe collaborate or without having to do it yourself.


Um, I appreciate that sounds a little bit, uh, soft, but, um, I guess those two beds.


Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Differentiate yourself a little bit. So you're unique. Yeah. You got to do, we gotta do that in every business nowadays, so yeah, that's true. Yeah. Um, do you have a favorite piece of outdoor gear under a hundred dollars?


I still, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a cool little question. I really like, I think mine, it's got to be, I mean, it's a bit of a side story. I think it's a fairly boring, boring response, but my Leatherman, how does it really? Yeah, I call it like, I've just, I caught both my arm as a kid. My uncle was, it was a pilot and I just going side story back to like growing up in Kenya at boarding school, we were a bunch of seven year old and we all running around with either a Swiss army knife or Leatherman. Um, if that was part of our school uniform, it just was at the time. So always had it. And then I remember seeing my, my, my uncle was a Bush pilot in Kenya and the single pilot that, you know, that I ever saw had a Leatherman on that, on the belt. So I remember from an early age thinking if, if they've got a Leatherman pilot, there must be something to




It must be a good tool now. And it is, I mean, obviously for, for getting in the back of an engine and yeah, probably more often than not carrying off something or then just really, it's just a really solid tool. I don't know what they do that. My name is Susan seems to rust or, uh, yeah.


I have one in the glove compartment of my car for years. I don't use it that often, but it's frequently, it comes out. I need something, you know, something's loose or some piece of camping equipment needs. Somebody just grab the Leatherman. It's got all the stuff. Yeah. It's cool. Um, as we wrap up, is there anything else you'd like to say or ask of our list?


Uh, not really. I mean, I'd like to give them an open invitation to come and join a triptych rally for sure. Um, yeah, I mean, I will, yeah, maybe have a chat to you afterwards about giving your listeners a discount or something like that would be great to have, we're desperate to have more Americans on our journeys. It really adds to like, to, to the, to the mix of people. I mean, I should probably say that we have a mix of, you know, of like probably 30% British UK and then we have Australians Kiwi, South Africans, perhaps from everywhere European. So it's kind of a great mix and getting, getting Americans on board is always great. Fun. It just adds another element and yeah, it's great. We've had, we've had a fair few, but no, weighs enough. So


Yeah. Thanks. Did you that quote there, that a code you sent me, is that still good? L M N outdoor biz at checkout.


Yeah. That's still good. I, yeah. That's yeah.


So if you guys go to, um, what's the website again? Um, large minority.com,


Large minority.com. Um, I mean, I can actually be reached through all the channels where we're, um, where we're on Instagram, that as at-large minorities saying that Facebook, and if they want to reach out to me personally, just do it by them and I'll pick it up.


Cool. Well, we'll put links to all that in the show notes. And then if you do book a trip, you use the code L M N outdoor biz, and you'll get 10% off. Right. Perfect. Great. Well, thank I thank you. I appreciate that very much. And we'll link to all the places people can find you. Um, so if they want to reach out, they can find you. Yeah. So we'll link to everything in the show notes. People can reach out. What's been great catching up and talking to you. Julian. I look forward to a took, took adventure someday.


Yeah, it would be my pleasure, Rick. Thanks a lot for having me. I hope to see you sometime soon when all this thing blows over or sooner, if you can, if they allow you to get it.


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